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Minmatar Master Miners Electric Monkey Overlords
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Posted - 2009.02.16 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: Freighter Jjoe
Interceptors - funny you would think Matar would excel here but not really. Meh dps but I do like the 4 slot stilleto for tackling.
That would partially be because for some ****ed up reason minmatar ceptors have the most mass of any ceptors.
Also to the guy that said the nid is the best fleet carrier get a clue as has been said time and time again its bonus is far less useful than the resistance bonus of the archon or the chimera since those carriers get the same effect when being repped by another archon or chimera as a nid gets when being remote repped by a nid plus their own personal tank also gets a boost therefore: Chimera/archon repping chimera/archon +25% effectiveness of RRed HP = effectively +25% HP repped +25% effectiveness of local repped HP
Nid repping Nid +25% HP remote repped
On top of that because the nid has a ****ty tank anyway in a mixed carrier fleet its going to often get called primary (that or a thanny depends on whats more important at the time removing DPS or breaking tank) so you cant even use the it will help the other carriers more reason since by the time they are being shot its dead.
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Posted - 2009.02.16 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Kagura Nikon I am minmatar and must say a few poitns a pure bull312#!@#!@
Arties have MORE dps than rail! Their only real issues are very limited range and the very small clip. Solve the clip issue and all is ok.
Typhoon is the BS can can field more tank and gank at same time. No other battleship can dish 900 dps with 7 SLOT TANK!
The recons and capitals although really need some love.
To get just under 900 dps with no damage mods fitted and max skill on a typhoon you have to fit 4 torp launchers 4 800mm autos and 5 ogre IIs using Rep Fleet EMP and CN Torps then you have just over 1000 PG to fit all your other slots oh and you will need a target painter to even get full damage on BS . However a mega will do around the same DPS with no fittings using neutrons with CN anti and 5xOgre II and have 4500 PG left for the rest of its fittings (same mids and lows) along with a spare high slot.
The Neutrons on the mega will have better tracking than the autos on the phoon and because of the tiny range of torps even with max skills you will probably want to stay within 15kms of your target minimum with the phoon so the range wont be too diffrent.
Add in mega has more base EHP and more base armor and finally you will need around 7mil more SP to get those stats with the typhoon due to the missile skills and things really dont look to good
Alternatively if you want to look at tier 1 BS we could use the geddon instead of mega yes it does about 50 less DPS but then it can outrange a torp phoon it does admittedly have some cap issues and slot layout is -1 med +1 low but it also still uses 7mil less SP and the typhoons extra med is going to have to have TP anyway and DPS can be added by making that extra low slot a heat sink then geddon does more dps than phoon and still has more PG left to fit tanking mods.
And since we are talking about tier 1 ships here we should be asking why on earth the first level of battleships for minmatar should require so many skillpoints to be even semi effective.
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Minmatar Master Miners Electric Monkey Overlords
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Posted - 2009.02.16 20:29:00 -
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Edited by: Random Womble on 16/02/2009 20:30:51
Originally by: Julie Thorne
Originally by: Random Womble
Chimera/archon repping chimera/archon +33% effectiveness of RRed HP = effectively +33% HP repped +33% effectiveness of local repped HP
But basicly you are right - the resistance bonus is just too powerful compared to the Thanny's damage or the Nid's RR bonus. I think the carriers would be much more balanced if the Chimera/Archon had a rep bonus (better local tank but less EHP and worse RR tank). It wouldn't help the Nid though cause it would be primaried anyway.
yea sorry i stand correct my brain was failing me but thanks for boosting my point even more
Edit: i forgot to mention on my first post that even if archon/chimera had same base armor and shield as nid they would also rather obviously get even more base EHP assume we take carrier skill into account so another reason why restances > rr bonus
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Posted - 2009.02.16 23:28:00 -
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Edited by: Random Womble on 16/02/2009 23:28:43
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg Edited by: Haniblecter Teg on 16/02/2009 21:12:23
Originally by: Random Womble
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Well, if you're dishing out whatifs, how about I fit an AB and Tracking Disrupter on my phoon. All of a sudden neither the geddon or mega could track the phoon within web range if it had even a minor nano.
The phoon could be going somewhere around 200-300m/s in <10km orbit while a tracking disrupterII is dishing out about -50% to tracking. That'd do the trick.
Unsure how they could counter it unless they had a tracking computer OR a 2nd web, both of which is unlikely.
I was just replying to his stament about the damage and showing that there other ships that can do the same damage with less drawbacks. Plus if we did some more theory work on your setup and your using torps then you have got a 1 mid free for point (going to assume you would use scram since no way to stop people burning away otherwise. Now your left with 1 plate and some hardeners/damage mods in the lows or even speed mods if you wish, now it could work against that mega tho i suspect he would still be able to hit you a bit even with the disrupt and noce you come against anything spewing missiles or just not using BS weapons your screwed.
Admittedly this is all theory but my point was the theoretical DPS arguement for a typhoon does not work too well, if you fit it with all damage mods you can get alot of DPS but you will be like a wet paper bag (admittedly a pure DPS phoon with shield tank is one of my favourite setups on sisi but it does not work on TQ and normally dies on sisi).
Hell a domi with 6 ions + 5 ogre IIs does more DPS than the typhoon, does not need a painter and has an extra med slot.
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